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Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 16:04

Here in the USA GREED is GLORIFIED. The TOP 0.25% live off the backs of the WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 16:50

Yawn... There are plenty of sites saying the same thing about marxism too. Its all bollox.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 17:47

Fools with their backs against the wall, when presented with reality they refuse to admit, always resort to an "ism". :fart :fart
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 18:50

Why would anyone take any notice of a blog written by a bunch of lefty progressive socialist liberals? Its all completely back as-wards logic. Its basic premise is obviously wrong.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 19:09

Burgerman wrote:lefty progressive socialist liberals

You know one when you see one!
How so?
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 19:27

I read the crap on the page. :clap
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 19:45

But you are confused. You promote taxation police that has never sustained true freedom.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 20:17

I think not. I think its the other way around. :clap
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 20:58

Really, it's not like that where you live.

Over here its very much like that.
The tax system here is set up to where everyone with annual income over $500k pays a smaller percentage of that income over $500k.
In actuality someone with $100k income easily pays a larger percentage in taxes than someone with $5mil income.
With a tax system like that inequality is promoted and sustained.
Nothing free about that.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 22:12

We are not going there again until you tell me why you think that the rich should pay ANY more tax in DOLLARS than you do. And they pay the vast majority already. As things stand, without the rich you would be totally screwed. Your society that you enjoy couldnt exist, and the tax YOU would have to pay would exceed your wages! You already OWE them.

So tell me why they should support you even more than they do already?

Or this is over.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid $543 billion, or 39.48 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid under $400 billion, or just 29.12 percent of all income taxes. Feb 2017. Top 1% = $421,926 yearly.
Top 1 percent pays 25% more actual dollars than 90 percent of the entire population. And you want yet more from them?

And that doesn't even include tax on their businesses, gains taxes, property taxes, or all the additional tax collected as purchase tax on sales of their products or services. Or purchase tax on all the stuff they buy... Or the taxes their employees paid. You talk bollox. And takes no account of their risks like homes remortgaged etc to fund things like factories. I hate trying to discuss anything with socialists because all of them are frankly ignorant they just want more of someone elses money. Because they wont or cant do it themselves. And if you cant answer my simple question then that makes you one too.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 22:49

You don't believe all men are created equal, do you? banghead
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Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 22:58

No. Very much the opposite. I see people all the time that are quite obviously not equal. Equal chance, equal in society. Not equal in how bright, or how much they want to work or get rich. Not equal in how much they prioritise this, or risks they are prepared to take. I also dont believe anyone was born, to look after the rest. If you are bright, hard working you can be the 1%. If not, then they owe you nothing. Although society taxes them to a ridiculous degree already as shown on my previous post. The normal's in society are propped up to the point where they pay 1/3rd the tax they should. Remove the 1 percent and you would go back to living in caves. With no jobs or exports. The tax percentage isn't relevant. The dollars ARE. You dont buy a fighter jet or a station, with percentages, you use dollars.

If you want some of their richness, since you dont like them having more than you, then why dont you sell your house, sleep on a friends sofa, and start a business with your money. Anything at all. But if you want to get really rich it needs to be scalable. Like Amazon... Or just make gates. Whatever. Or risk the lot on the stock market where you will be taxed if you make money, and lose it completely if you get it wrong?

The reason is that unlike those sort of people, the musks or the gates, or the bezos, who think like that you are too lazy, or too dumb, and wont accept the risks they all did. So instead of starting a business that pays a ton of tax, brings in money worldwide making the country richer, and employs hundreds of thousands of also rans like you, that otherwise would be sat at home looking for a "job" by a businessman, with all the protections and holidays that go with it. You want EVEN MORE of theirs. Thats Socialism 101. Venezuela did what you want. That worked out well... :lol:

I also noticed you couldn't answer this again:
So tell me why they should support you even more than they do already?

Or this is over because you are just wasting my time.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 23:24

sacharlie wrote:You don't believe all men are created equal, do you? banghead


I ask you that to get through all your confusion and your usual gobbledygook reply.

So you answered NO, not all men are created equal.

Well along that same line of thinking I don't think all men should be taxed equally dollar for dollar.
I also know it is not possible to ever have such a head count tax system but you offer reply after reply as though it were possible; keep dreaming or talking such nonsense for your sake of an arguement.

I do promote taxing money. If not for money maybe all men would be equal, but that is for another discussion. So let's stick with money. Money is a tool of trade and commerce. One man's money is no different than another's in a free society. Here it is as simple as can be, the more money earned, generated, exchanged the more tax it should throw off. There is no head count to it.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 23:34

You didnt answer my question. 3rd and final time.

I ask you that to get through all your confusion and your usual gobbledygook reply.

NON of it is gobbldygook, its all plain and simple enough even for you. But you CHOOSE to ignore it all because you have no reply. And the result of doing what you want is venuzuala. It always hurts everone. Taxing the rich to give to the poor is both wrong because those people do not owe you a thing. And we know the result!!!

So you answered NO, not all men are created equal.
Well along that same line of thinking I don't think all men should be taxed equally dollar for dollar.


The FAIR solution would be to divide the total tax bill by the number of people above working age, and send each an identical bill. It should be unrelated to what you EARN in any way. Only in what gov services you pay for. But that means all those 90% of the population would need to pay 3x the average income tax they pay now. Which is above the wage the typical factory worker even earns. So the system is already unfair to the hardest working as it is. YOUR system penalizes the hardest working and those that take the highest risks, and those that employ and manufacture and export, all of which also is taxed. And thats why hitting these people ends up in economic collapse like all socialist systems. Your retarded sig shows you cannot understand any of this.

So answer the question.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby sacharlie » 08 Nov 2018, 23:47

Face the fact that you have no reasonable answer to any tax policy.
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Re: Clearing up economic confusion.

Postby Burgerman » 08 Nov 2018, 23:50

That doesent make any sense to anyone. And yet again you refused for the 4th time of asking to reply to my one simple easy question. You didnt because the ONLY answer is that you want some of their money because they have more, but you refuse to say it.

Locked. You are a waste of my time.
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